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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #60 on Sat 22 May 2004 02:57 AM (UTC)
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I agree, the latest versions of Linux look very impressive, but (to me, at least) they look a bit sloppy, as if they were built on top of another architecture as an afterthought. I can only speak for RH, that's the one I used, I imagine other distros may be better. The trick with mounting drives is nifty, although I imagine you can do it in XP too...
Yes, you can. I just looked in Windows Help and found the command mountvol. I mounted my downloads drive in the directory c:\downloads, and it's as if the entire drive is there. Cool trick :p
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #61 on Sat 22 May 2004 09:17 AM (UTC)
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Nowadays with big hard disks I have my disk partitioned into multiple logical drives, and can never remember where I put things like my web downloads (is it G: or H: ?) however under Unix you would just have them in /downloads and worry about which logical or physical disk that was actually on in your system configuration.


Why partition though?

I have everything on c:, and then use the 'subst' command to have W: for example, where W: is an alias to c:\internet\apache\whatever-else-it-is-to-get-to-html-home. Similar for p:\, t:\ (programming and temp.)
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #62 on Sat 22 May 2004 11:38 AM (UTC)
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That works, but it is generally better to partition your disk so you have your files on a partition different than the one you have windows on, in case they crash or whatever... It's nice to have all your files on a harddrive because you know where everything is, but I have 4 HDDs and I can never remember where everything is :p
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #63 on Sat 22 May 2004 11:13 PM (UTC)
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If your disk crashes, then the whole thing dies, no matter what your partitions are. I've heard from many places that the whole "partition for safety" thing is a complete myth.

But yes, if you have four physical drives (as opposed to partitioned, logical drives), then you do need to partition them . . . because of the very nature of the drive. :)

The main reason partitions existed recently was because the filesystems couldn't handle a drive bigger than 2gb (fat16) and then fat32 couldn't handle files bigger than 4gb. So back in the days (but not way back), you *had* to partition your drive if you were running fat16.
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,791 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #64 on Sat 22 May 2004 11:58 PM (UTC)
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Yeah. Partitioning drives now is only real useful to keep 'data' seperate from the OS and programs. If you need to reinstall (say your running Micro$haft Winblows or something), then it is a lot easier to store all your data on the second partition than to have to backup every file on the drive you 'think' you need to keep and miss something, then reformat and reinstall. Of course, since everything MS makes hides data in weird places and even Opera started doing this in new versions, you still have to force these programs to store your settings, email, etc. on the second partition, but... I have been trying off and on to get all the files off my non-multi-partitioned drive for weeks, but since I don't want to miss anything important, I have been reluctant to finish. lol
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #65 on Sun 23 May 2004 10:33 AM (UTC)
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I was saying what Shadowfyr said, that if you have to reinstall because of OS crashes, you don't have to lose all your data if you have multiple partitions...
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #66 on Sun 23 May 2004 09:07 PM (UTC)
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Even that isn't a particularly good idea. If your OS "crashes", you should format and reinstall everything anyways. If you know what you're doing it's not very hard to figure out what you need to keep and what you don't need. Generally you throw away everything that you didn't put there (i.e. things that got installed), and you keep all of your files.

By the way, what do you mean by an OS "crashing"? :P Never happened to me before...
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #67 on Sun 23 May 2004 10:14 PM (UTC)
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If you know what you're doing it's not very hard to figure out what you need to keep and what you don't need.


If you have 160 GB worth of files, you'll have to copy them somewhere else when you format, whereas you could just have them in another partition and be happy. And, if your OS has never crashed on you, it's because you don't mess with it enough :p Anyway, this thread is waaaay off topic, we should stop here ;p
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #68 on Sun 23 May 2004 11:27 PM (UTC)
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And, if your OS has never crashed on you, it's because you don't mess with it enough :p

Or maybe I know how to mess with it *grin*

Seriously though, what do you mean by an OS crashing? What does it do (or not do)?

Besides, you can always boot up in DOS, delete the Windows directory, and reinstall. No problems... you keep all your data, everything is happy, life is fine, and the birds are singing. No need for partitions. :)
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #69 on Mon 24 May 2004 10:38 AM (UTC)
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Sometimes windows refuses to boot. For example, I installed Linux on another partition, XP saw that the partition table had changed and decided it didn't like its letter any more, so it assigned its partition a different letter. The Linux partition was not even before the XP partition, but XP decided it should change the drive letter of the OS... Or another time, when I install the (admittedly beta :P) XP SP2, XP just refused to boot... I ended up deleting each SP2 file by hand and replacing them with the original versions. Deleting the windows directory doesn't do anything, because in order to reinstall XP, they must format the entire drive, most of the time. Whenever the setup program feels like it, it presents you with an option to install to that drive without overwriting, but it's messy. Anyway, there's no point in arguing what's better, each person can use whatever they think suits them :p
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Posted by Seawolf   USA  (57 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #70 on Mon 24 May 2004 01:12 PM (UTC)
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Some of the SP2 betas really did not work...RC1 works very well and RC2 is about to go public :) (Wednesday from what I've read)
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #71 on Mon 24 May 2004 06:13 PM (UTC)
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It was RC1 that crashed my machine:p Or maybe the one just before that.. It works great on the laptop though, I can't blame MS for it.
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Posted by Flannel   USA  (1,230 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #72 on Mon 24 May 2004 07:52 PM (UTC)
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Speaking of dual booting, the newest version of fedora (linux) doesnt like working with 2K or XP. It has tendancies to eat partitions.

More info here:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/23/1448209&mode=thread&tid=110&tid=187
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Posted by Seawolf   USA  (57 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #73 on Tue 25 May 2004 02:17 AM (UTC)
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i think Red Hats goin a lil too far with this enthusiast thing.

I mean cutting egde is cool, and bleeding edge is interesting, but carved up into tiny pieces edge isn't much fun.
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Posted by Seawolf   USA  (57 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #74 on Wed 30 Jun 2004 07:52 PM (UTC)
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Mono just went 1.0....if you really wanted to go cross platform thats one way to do it :)
http://www.mono-project.com
from the release notes:
Novell is proud to introduce Mono 1.0: an open source implementation of the .NET framework for use on Linux, Unix and Windows systems. Mono consists of:

A cross platform ECMA CLI runtime engine.
A cross platform IKVM Java runtime engine.
C# 1.0 compiler.
Development toolchain.
Class libraries implementing the .NET 1.1 profile.
The Gtk# 1.0 GUI programming toolkit.
Mono specific libraries.
Third party convenience libraries bundled with the release.
GNU Classpath for the CLI.
Visual Basic runtime.


The Mono Project:

Provides a superior development environment for writing Linux applications with unprecedented productivity.
Allows developers to write rich client, web services and server-side applications and deploy them on Linux, Solaris, MacOS X, Windows NT/XP and various other Unix systems on a variety of architectures.
Delivers tools that facilitate the creation of product APIs and SDKs that are language independent across multiple operating systems.
...blahblahblahblah
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