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Posted by Ked   Russia  (524 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #45 on Thu 20 May 2004 05:41 PM (UTC)
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Nah, too much bother with VMware. I can live with Windowing for Mushclient. As for downloading Linux, things are different here. It's not too simple for an individual, and even a company, to transfer or receive money across the border due to a pretty harsh exchange regime. You can sign on to PayPal if you live in Sri Lanka, but not if you are in RF. Hopefully that'll change soon, since there's a new and more liberal law in the making, but for now I have to watch Mushclient's nag screen and pay 30$ instead of 3$ because that's what the mainstream Linux distributions go for around here :(
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #46 on Thu 20 May 2004 08:49 PM (UTC)
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$30 sounds about right, but it is totally worth it. You pay i-don't-know-how-much for windows and you get a cd with a sticker, and you pay $30 for linux and you get a crate full of CDs, DVDs and books, user manuals, and whatnot. I'd pay $30 for a linux distro... SuSE perhaps :p
Vidi, Vici, Veni.
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Posted by Meerclar   USA  (733 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #47 on Thu 20 May 2004 09:41 PM (UTC)
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Dont know about the other Linux distributions but Redhat maintains a free download from their website, mind you they're BIG images but theyre free nonetheless (or should be unless theyve done something really wierd in the EC)
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #48 on Thu 20 May 2004 09:47 PM (UTC)
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RH Linux 9 is actually being terminated - well, it hit its end of life. If you want to get upgrades, you need to go to RH Entreprise Linux, or go to Fedora which is the open-source continuation of RH Linux.
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,791 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #49 on Thu 20 May 2004 11:34 PM (UTC)

Amended on Thu 20 May 2004 11:47 PM (UTC) by Shadowfyr

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If you do download disc images.. You are better off using the Bittorrent links. It is much faster (like double the speed). For example, I downloaded an ISO of the Linspire version of linux, just to see if it was any good and because I could at the time get it for free at the time to anyone that could figure out the secret code. ;) My normal transfer rate on this dial-up service I have is about 2.7k/s, when it is a *good* ftp server. The Bittorrent system gave me 6k/s almost continuously. Even for broadband users, it is better if possible to get the Bittorrent link when one is available.

Bittorrent also uses its own internal checksums, so once completes a download, then odds are you have a complete file, something others don't necessarilly guarrenty, even for normal FTP servers. You can also interrupt the dowload and restart it anytime after. I wish some abandonware game sites would use it...

Oh, and just to point out. The newest realease of Fedora (core 2 release 3) now included the 2.6 fully premptive kernel, new security features you can turn on and other improvements. Sadly, it would take me a week to download on dial-up, even with the Bittorrent client, so I am not going to do it any time soon. :(
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (23,162 posts)  Bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #50 on Fri 21 May 2004 03:35 AM (UTC)

Amended on Fri 21 May 2004 03:36 AM (UTC) by Nick Gammon

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I had VMware (for Mac) when it was released by Connectix or whoever it was, but it doesn't run under the latest Mac operating system. Somewhat infuriatingly, there was no upgrade path as Microsoft have taken over VMware, and it costs something like $AUD 600 for a new copy.

VMware worked fine, I used to run MUSHclient under it, under "Windows 95" on Mac OS/X. Maybe slightly slow, but pretty good. However, no more. Various (unprintable) thoughts passed through my brain when I realised that the $200-odd I paid for VMware is now wasted money, and I resolved not to get caught in that trap again.

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For most of us, COM and the scripting that depends on it is the #1 reason for using Mushclient.


If I thought a lot of people were using MUSHclient on Linux, and I also thought that some at least were paying for it, I would think of adding a scripting engine that would work on Wine (ie. native to MUSHclient).

This wouldn't be a huge deal, and would probably look similar to JScript (ie. C-like). There didn't seem much point in the past, as the other script engines worked OK, but I can see it would be useful under Wine. That is, unless you can get COM to work on Wine, then just start MUSHclient up without the /wine command-line switch. And, install the VBscript DLL. I haven't had that work for me, but maybe the later versions of Wine would support it.

If anyone would be interested, post a reply here.
- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Seawolf   USA  (57 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #51 on Fri 21 May 2004 08:14 AM (UTC)
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Hello my good men!
I didn't even realize thi had gotten more replies...sorry.

The only thing I don't like about .NET is having to download a 21 meg redist to do whatever it is you want to do, and that whatever it is is fairly rare right about now.

However, some of you may be interested in this...or may not.

http://go-mono.com/
The Mono project, which just went beta, being a Linux (and windows and Mac OS X apparently...) version of .NET stuff.
http://www.go-mono.org/faq.html
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #52 on Fri 21 May 2004 10:27 AM (UTC)
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Nick, that's not VMware, that's Virtual PC, which does the same... Microsoft has acquired Connectix but they will continue development on Virtual PC. I like VMware better though.
Vidi, Vici, Veni.
http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #53 on Fri 21 May 2004 10:29 AM (UTC)
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By the way, I know this is off topic, but I'd like to try Linux out. I installed RedHat but it looks sloppy (installed all packages and still asked me for a CD to do some administrative tasks which it couldn't find even when I inserted, and was overall a bit messy). I don't mind it being moderately difficult for Linux newbies, I just want it to be robust. Any ideas?
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http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #54 on Fri 21 May 2004 01:37 PM (UTC)
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If it asked you for more packages after installation, then undoubtedly you didn't install it all right. When I installed from the 3 RH Linux 9 CDs, I had no trouble at all. Then again, I knew what I wanted. :) If you have the disk space.. just install everything, it'll be easier that way.
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #55 on Fri 21 May 2004 02:31 PM (UTC)

Amended on Fri 21 May 2004 02:32 PM (UTC) by Poromenos

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I had installed everything :p It asked for the CD, I inserted it, and it kept asking... Is SuSE better than RH?
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http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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Posted by Flannel   USA  (1,230 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #56 on Fri 21 May 2004 07:13 PM (UTC)
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Different. "Better" depends on what youre looking for.
As your obviously not ignorant to coding, you might want to consider running Gnome or something. Theres TONS of choices. You really should do your homework before running off and buying something. Obviously downloading you can be wimsical.

Theres a lot of things people arent liking about Fedora. Talk about the people in charge not listening to the users, about which things to impliment/remove/etc. Thats just chatter Ive been hearing though.

Seriously though, theres enough distros out there that you should be able to find one thats not proprietary. Unless youre looking for something extremely specific.
~Flannel

Messiah of Rose
Eternity's Trials.

Clones are people two.
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Posted by Seawolf   USA  (57 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #57 on Fri 21 May 2004 09:40 PM (UTC)
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I know I'd prefer SuSE
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #58 on Sat 22 May 2004 12:49 AM (UTC)
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Ah, thanks. I want to try out SuSE, I downloaded the LiveEval CD but haven't looked at it a lot... I tried to find SuSE 9 for download on their site but they aren't offering it... I'll download/get a few distros and choose the one I like best, thanks again.
Vidi, Vici, Veni.
http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (23,162 posts)  Bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #59 on Sat 22 May 2004 02:23 AM (UTC)
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Yes, it was Virtual PC, not VMware, sorry.

As for Red Hat, it *should* install without any difficulties. I certainly did for RH 7 and 8 I think. Not sure what the latest version is, unlike Windows there is no great need to keep updating.

Once installed with Gnome or KDE as the window manager, they look remarkably similar to Windows these days, so a Windows user should not have any difficulty using them.

Overall Linux is getting a very "smooth" look, with integrated web browser, and a file browser that is like the more recent versions of Windows, where you can type in a folder address (eg. /home/nick/muds ) or a web URL, and have it open it appropriately.

In fact, once you are used to it, the general approach in Unix of having a root directory with subdirectories is much friendlier than the old C:, D: and E: stuff we use under Windows.

Nowadays with big hard disks I have my disk partitioned into multiple logical drives, and can never remember where I put things like my web downloads (is it G: or H: ?) however under Unix you would just have them in /downloads and worry about which logical or physical disk that was actually on in your system configuration.
- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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